he is old-school washington. i wouldn't say in the best way but in the -- in a certain hapless sad way. it's the way it works. and he's got these, as he and his, you know, the members -- the same members of his caucus, the 40 or 50 people to his right who just can't cut him a break and won't let him lead even if he wants to lead. >> you know, kurt just used the word that has disappeared more or less, i think, from day-to-day language, the word is "pension." i can remember tip o'neill telling me that the second night that gerald ford assumed the presidency, that gerald and betty ford invited tip and millie o'neill down to the white house for dinner. they were the best of friends in the house, and they remained friendly for years. so the o'neills and the fords, president ford, were having dinner. and at one point during the dinner, president ford says to tip o'neill, "tip, do you have any idea of what the bump in pay for this job is going to mean for my pension?" you know, which is sort of a cute story. it sort of